Add me to the list. Bookmaker.eu KYC department hasn't responded to an email in over 2 weeks

[baus]

If you know, you know. That’s all there is to it.

BAUS

 

[flyingillini]

If you know, you know. That’s all there is to it.

BAUS

The ignorance on the forums and there are a lot of naive people here that believe anything they read. Never ever underestimate the relationships with the older SBR management/ Staff in regards to the industry. Do people think they just disappear and get involved in another line of work? They blossom and progress deeper in the industry. Some good some bad some safe some dangerous. People need to stop being so gullible.

 

[sportsbettor5]

The ignorance on the forums and there are a lot of naive people here that believe anything they read. Never ever underestimate the relationships with the older SBR management/ Staff in regards to the industry. Do people think they just disappear and get involved in another line of work? They blossom and progress deeper in the industry. Some good some bad some safe some dangerous. People need to stop being so gullible.

If you're talking about me: what am I being gullible about? I've expressed uncertainty about Justin7 being the guy locking down all these BM accounts. Didn't take a position either way, just asked for evidence.

 

[BigJay]

If you know, you know. That’s all there is to it.

BAUS

 

[flyingillini]

If you're talking about me: what am I being gullible about? I've expressed uncertainty about Justin7 being the guy locking down all these BM accounts. Didn't take a position either way, just asked for evidence.

This has nothing to do with you at all, I am meaning in general.

 

[sportsbettor5]

After reviewing some further evidence, I do think Justin7 is more likely than not to be involved as a "consultant" to BM. Syndicates/multiaccounters have been exploiting offshore bonus offerings. BM seems to have brought in Justin7 to catch them.

 

[nymfan13]

They should just change their policy instead of freezing money, they can hire anyone with a brain to easily put in a better policy to protect themselves without freezing legit accounts.

 

[sportsbettor5]

They should just change their policy instead of freezing money, they can hire anyone with a brain to easily put in a better policy to protect themselves without freezing legit accounts.

Whose legit account was frozen?

 

[nymfan13]

countless stories

 

[sportsbettor5]

countless stories

Yup. Stories.

 

[rolandcorts]

After reviewing some further evidence, I do think Justin7 is more likely than not to be involved as a "consultant" to BM. Syndicates/multiaccounters have been exploiting offshore bonus offerings. BM seems to have brought in Justin7 to catch them.

Yes you’ve finally caught up.

And how would you know as an outsider which people complaining about being stiffed by Bookmaker are legit and which are multi-accounts? The guy at SBR is being paid, finally, after a very long and unprofessional process with BM. There hasn’t been one story of someone having their account frozen until there’s a payout so if they suspect an account, they purposely freeroll them until the account wins (if ever). And then the payout process is intentionally onerous. Finally, BM has still not provided any evidence whatsoever of why they think certain accounts are “fake”. Canuckg just repeats some hearsay from Justin7 as if he’s the judge and jury.

There’s no defense for any of this. Very weird that people are defending them so vehemently.

 

[sportsbettor5]

Yes you’ve finally caught up.

And how would you know as an outsider which people complaining about being stiffed by Bookmaker are legit and which are multi-accounts? The guy at SBR is being paid, finally, after a very long and unprofessional process with BM. There hasn’t been one story of someone having their account frozen until there’s a payout so if they suspect an account, they purposely freeroll them until the account wins (if ever). And then the payout process is intentionally onerous. Finally, BM has still not provided any evidence whatsoever of why they think certain accounts are “fake”. Canuckg just repeats some hearsay from Justin7 as if he’s the judge and jury.

There’s no defense for any of this. Very weird that people are defending them so vehemently.

First of all, I don't think Justin7 is "running the security dept" as some have said. I think it most likely that he's involved, and "consultant" is a vague enough term that we can't really tell how deeply involved he is.

All legitimate sports bettors should have outright disdain for multi-accounters. Do you? Based on your comments and those of others, it seems like some of you are willing to completely overlook this issue. Multi-accounters do serious damage to sportsbooks and make life worse for us.

Now to answer your questions. No, I don't know which, if any, of these brand-new forum posters popping in with brand-new BM accounts depositing $50k+ crypto are legit. At even odds, I'd wager it's less than 20%. Why?

1) It challenges common sense to believe that 10+ new accounts have sprung up at BM in a short period of time all making large deposits, winning, and yet have no previous online footprint and no previous BM account.
2) These posters, in my experience interacting with them here, refuse to discuss the types of bets they've made or the bonuses they took. This is the behavior we would expect from coordinated actors or a single multi-accounter.
3) BM has an elite reputation going back decades.
4) I've dealt with BM for a long time and have had 0 issues getting paid, including after these cases sprang up.
5) Exactly zero long-time players are having issues.

You've been leading the charge that Justin7 is running the show over there. If that's the case, then tell us: when Justin7 tweets that these players are unable to answer the most basic questions about their play during video interview (e.g., "what sports did you bet?"), what is your reaction? Is Justin7 just making things up?

 

[rolandcorts]

First of all, I don't think Justin7 is "running the security dept" as some have said. I think it most likely that he's involved, and "consultant" is a vague enough term that we can't really tell how deeply involved he is.

All legitimate sports bettors should have outright disdain for multi-accounters. Do you? Based on your comments and those of others, it seems like some of you are willing to completely overlook this issue. Multi-accounters do serious damage to sportsbooks and make life worse for us.

Now to answer your questions. No, I don't know which, if any, of these brand-new forum posters popping in with brand-new BM accounts depositing $50k+ crypto are legit. At even odds, I'd wager it's less than 20%. Why?

1) It challenges common sense to believe that 10+ new accounts have sprung up at BM in a short period of time all making large deposits, winning, and yet have no previous online footprint and no previous BM account.
2) These posters, in my experience interacting with them here, refuse to discuss the types of bets they've made or the bonuses they took. This is the behavior we would expect from coordinated actors or a single multi-accounter.
3) BM has an elite reputation going back decades.
4) I've dealt with BM for a long time and have had 0 issues getting paid, including after these cases sprang up.
5) Exactly zero long-time players are having issues.

You've been leading the charge that Justin7 is running the show over there. If that's the case, then tell us: when Justin7 tweets that these players are unable to answer the most basic questions about their

There’s not much point going back and forth with you because you continue to ignore a number of important *facts*:

1. Not all the accounts are new
2. Not all of them deposited that much, in fact most didn’t. Some are only owed a few dimes, too.
3. Not all of them took a bonus or bet the same thing(s). Lots of variety.
4. There’s like 10 sports bettors on this site that bet serious amounts. Do you think that’s all of them? Then why the hell would you expect them to already have BMR accounts? I wonder why I putz around here myself.
5. Bovada still paid 99% of their players last year when they were stiffing lots of people. Congrats on being in the 99% with Bookmaker. Does that make it any better?
6. Everything else said about BM’s juvenile behavior and the fact they’ve not provided one shred of evidence behind their slow pays/stiffs.

Has anyone else been paid by BM besides the SBR guy?

 

[sportsbettor5]

There’s not much point going back and forth with you because you continue to ignore a number of important *facts*:

1. Not all the accounts are new
2. Not all of them deposited that much, in fact most didn’t. Some are only owed a few dimes, too.
3. Not all of them took a bonus or bet the same thing(s). Lots of variety.
4. There’s like 10 sports bettors on this site that bet serious amounts. Do you think that’s all of them? Then why the hell would you expect them to already have BMR accounts? I wonder why I putz around here myself.
5. Bovada still paid 99% of their players last year when they were stiffing lots of people. Congrats on being in the 99% with Bookmaker. Does that make it any better?
6. Everything else said about BM’s juvenile behavior and the fact they’ve not provided one shred of evidence behind their slow pays/stiffs.

Has anyone else been paid by BM besides the SBR guy?

BM accounts, not BMR accounts. Reading comprehension.

I'll respond in full later. I'm going to try to put something together related to this situation that might benefit the community.

 

[rolandcorts]

Why is that so surprising? Legalization got tons of (smart) people into betting sports who quickly found edges, and the most natural thing to do at that point is to look where else they can get down, and that place is offshore. This is probably why almost every offshore shop is “tightening up” too.

 

[sportsbettor5]

Why is that so surprising? Legalization got tons of (smart) people into betting sports who quickly found edges, and the most natural thing to do at that point is to look where else they can get down, and that place is offshore. This is probably why almost every offshore shop is “tightening up” too.

And they all joined BM within the last six months? Legalization is not that new.

But yeah, I'm hearing that onshore started getting restrictive with bonuses and offshore was slower to tighten up. That discrepancy would tend to attract legit and illegitimate new accounts. So none of this answers the fundamental question. I'm trying to aggregate some data in the hopes we can draw some kind of firmer conclusion.

 

[baus]

We are looking forward to your report.

BAUS

 

[ks1986]

We are looking forward to your report.

BAUS

I am too

 

[eddycash]

Have you tried to take a payout recently?

Not since last year. I stopped using them after seeing so many nightmare stories.

 

[sportsbettor5]

Not since last year. I stopped using them after seeing so many nightmare stories.

Still compiling data, but seems that 100% of these stories are from brand-new accounts. You've been on BMR for almost 3 years so I seriously doubt you'd encounter any issues.