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KVB

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I suppose when wagering (risking) the same amount per play.

Yeah, and filling at different levels can be tricky to make sure risk amounts are appropriate, for stability.

But I do want to say something about changing your bet size. It always changes your breakeven point, and often not for the better. And, for example, betting a "flat percentage" of a roll each bet is costly.

Here's an adaptaion of something I posted in the past...

...I’ve posted over and over again that changing you bet size is equivalent to progressive betting and it is costly.

Let’s keep it simple and get back to basics. Take a set of 21 bets; give yourself 11 wins and 10 losses. Now take any starting bankroll amount. To keep it simple, bet 5.5% to win 5% for each bet and put the wins and losses in any order you desire. After each bet, win or lose, adjust the next bet to 5.5% of the new bankroll. Many bettors use this form of money management.

Now, if you didn’t change the size of your bets, 52.4%, or 11 wins and 10 losses would result in breaking even.

But this progressive scheme requires changing the size of your bets after each play, changing the breakeven point. How much it changes depends on the percentage bet, but the higher the percentage, the worse off you are. With my example, of 5.5%, the breakeven point nears 54%.

Bettors should be thankful for discount books and vigorish, as this strategy raises their breakeven point, which was offset by the reduced vig.

Again, the percentage doesn’t matter; it’s easier to use 5.5% for this exercise but with other perentages, the results are along the same lines.

Try it again and again. No matter what order you place your 11 wins and 10 losses, after those 21 bets, you always have 97.1% of your roll left.

In fact, after 110 wins and 100 losses with 5.5% bet each time, you would be down somewhere in the neighborhood of 25% of your starting bankroll...

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I wrote that some time back at SBR in response to a poster's suggestion.

Any change in bet size will mess with your breakeven point. Yes, with a good edge, there are many who bet a partial Kelly system and do well, but anyone betting Full Kelly with get likely get killed, unless all bets are +103 to -103, lol. Kelly betting is a percentage of roll, and a progressive strategy.

If a bettor has a losing streak, then he inevitably bets less. Then he has the winning streak and hits his breakeven point but beause the wins were less risk, and the cost of vig, that bettor doesn't have the money he deserves. If he goes on a winning streak, and then increases his bet, here comes the losing the streak and at breakeven, again he is behind in money.

This isn't bad timing. These are predictable results within the probabilies. It's bad money management.

:cheers:
 

KVB

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Another form of bet size mismanagement happens when bettors do things like bet, say, $100 to win $100 on a +100 MLB or NHL moneyline and then bet $150 to win $100 on another game at -150.

That's saying that one capped MLB or NHL game is worth 50% the risk of another. That's quite a discrepancy and if that's the case then just bet the 50% heavier risk plays as those bigger bet will be the only bets that matter in the long run, win or lose. Their influence will dwarf the smaller bets. Better to just bet roughly the same risk on both games.

The lesson here is not to let the price of a game have your risk flying all over the place. Keep your risk steady and let the bookmaker's risk move around.

:cheers:
 

KVB

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Been watching a particular line today waiting for a move as I felt, based on forecasting, that money was heading the opposite side of me.

Market finally blinked. It's a moneyline play and I may counter the move if we can just edge those odds up there. This moneyline prediction is split with the public gauge and stacking percentages forecast with the line currently moving away from the public gauge, toward the forecast.

It's right on the edge here of triggering a buy against the move if we can just get a little more dog money here.

I'll post the info if/when we trigger and buy.
 

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The KVB NCAAF UPSET Basket has added...

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WASH +113

I have also hit this line at +111, +110, and can potentially tolerate +108, if needed.

I was waiting for this pressure and have been buying into it this evening.

:cheers:
 

KVB

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how many positions will you have including duplicates by Saturday on the games?

Only one position on each game, Gold. If you mean how many tickets that can and will vary.

Each position should end up with the same amount of total risk, if I do it right. I have the acceptable target number and will fill at and above that.
 

Tanko

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The KVB NCAAF UPSET Basket has added...

379​
18-Nov​
WASH +113

I have also hit this line at +111, +110, and can potentially tolerate +108, if needed.

I was waiting for this pressure and have been buying into it this evening.

:cheers:
Got them at +1.5 early in the day.
Thanks KVB
 

KVB

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The KVB NCAAF Visiting Dog Fund has added...

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16-NovBC +3 (-103)

This is a BM buy.

The UPSET Basket bought this early at +106 and now that moneyline is in the +130s. I am buying at that level, including +137 at BM, but it is the +106, as posted, that will be used for that market tracking UPSET Basket.

The stacking percentages forecast has a tie or BC winning outright with 24 or 23 points to Pitt's 23 or 21 points.

The non predictive public gauge has Pitt winning 28-21.

The line opened at Pitt -1 and -2 and has moved away from the forecast, onto 3. The Total of 47 is at the upper Forecast and slightly above the rest of the Forecast. With the public gauge at -7 and 49, it's possible we are identifying a slight inefficiency in the spread as it moves up to 3 as well as the moneyline, especially at these levels.

BC +137 a pretty good deal in my opinion.

:cheers:
 

JDS

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The KVB NCAAF Visiting Dog Fund has added...

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16-NovBC +3 (-103)

This is a BM buy.

The UPSET Basket bought this early at +106 and now that moneyline is in the +130s. I am buying at that level, including +137 at BM, but it is the +106, as posted, that will be used for that market tracking UPSET Basket.

The stacking percentages forecast has a tie or BC winning outright with 24 or 23 points to Pitt's 23 or 21 points.

The non predictive public gauge has Pitt winning 28-21.

The line opened at Pitt -1 and -2 and has moved away from the forecast, onto 3. The Total of 47 is at the upper Forecast and slightly above the rest of the Forecast. With the public gauge at -7 and 49, it's possible we are identifying a slight inefficiency in the spread as it moves up to 3 as well as the moneyline, especially at these levels.

BC +137 a pretty good deal in my opinion.

:cheers:
I hate to chase an early bad bet number, but you described why you are doing so I hope this works out for you with a 2 unit plus win. :cheers:
 

Tanko

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The KVB NCAAF Visiting Dog Fund has added...

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16-NovBC +3 (-103)

This is a BM buy.

The UPSET Basket bought this early at +106 and now that moneyline is in the +130s. I am buying at that level, including +137 at BM, but it is the +106, as posted, that will be used for that market tracking UPSET Basket.

The stacking percentages forecast has a tie or BC winning outright with 24 or 23 points to Pitt's 23 or 21 points.

The non predictive public gauge has Pitt winning 28-21.

The line opened at Pitt -1 and -2 and has moved away from the forecast, onto 3. The Total of 47 is at the upper Forecast and slightly above the rest of the Forecast. With the public gauge at -7 and 49, it's possible we are identifying a slight inefficiency in the spread as it moves up to 3 as well as the moneyline, especially at these levels.

BC +137 a pretty good deal in my opinion.

:cheers:
I saw this one but didn't bite. BC crapped the bed on me last week and I've not gotten over it yet. It left a mark and I can't trust that team anymore.
 

KVB

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I hate to chase an early bad bet number

I hear you there and I'm now glad I chose to share those forecasts and that reasoning.

But if we're looking at it like the number moving against me is bad for that specific bet, which could be true, then it feels more like we're thinking about the bet that wins, instead of the winning bet.

Because of the limits of those opening buys, I've had room to basically dollar cost average up as I keep getting down. Since I think there's an inefficiency here, as mentioned, I was ok with +106, but not real happy. I had a feeling it would stay close to that number through the week, maybe rise.

With the rise I'm just getting a better number for my bet. Because I'm not betting extra units, and just filling my unit on the game, it doesn't feel like much like chasing.

But with this type of early, then incremental betting, you make a good point. I'm either "chasing" what appears to start out as a bad number initial bet, or, sometimes, "chasing steam" to try to get my position filled before all margin is lost.

It can create tough positions to be in and is chalked up to the "getting down" part of sportsbetting. Which is it's own thing aside from capping.
 

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I hear you there and I'm now glad I chose to share those forecasts and that reasoning.

But if we're looking at it like the number moving against me is bad for that specific bet, which could be true, then it feels more like we're thinking about the bet that wins, instead of the winning bet.

Because of the limits of those opening buys, I've had room to basically dollar cost average up as I keep getting down. Since I think there's an inefficiency here, as mentioned, I was ok with +106, but not real happy. I had a feeling it would stay close to that number through the week, maybe rise.

With the rise I'm just getting a better number for my bet. Because I'm not betting extra units, and just filling my unit on the game, it doesn't feel like much like chasing.

But with this type of early, then incremental betting, you make a good point. I'm either "chasing" what appears to start out as a bad number initial bet, or, sometimes, "chasing steam" to try to get my position filled before all margin is lost.

It can create tough positions to be in and is chalked up to the "getting down" part of sportsbetting. Which is it's own thing aside from capping.
You are very analytical KVB to an extent I will never reach. I love how we can learn from each other with our day-to-day strategies and reasonings for why we do what we do 😁
 

KVB

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KVB I need a direct line to you
Secondly need your wife’s cell

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