Ken Pom..NOBODY WOULD WORK

[flyingillini]

Everything is reflected in the line
When you win and use Pom it was random

Not one guy here derives income from gambling you cannot make this stuff up

Once you think you can beat sports jump off a bridge or seek help

Smartest minds in world cannot do it in todays marketplace and technology

Yes there are bonus scammers and some arbers out there but a tiny %

Never ever believe the word professional gambler it does not exist anymore all those so called guys got side hustles making the real money.

Can you have lucky years of course and it is chump change of course

Pure comedy

I have been on these forums for over 20 years. So many guys claim they gamble for a living, then they change their tune, these guys come and go, you can't make this stuff up. Ganchrow, Justin7 have a clue about what it takes to make some serious $.

 

[Tanko]

Blue correct their are so many math experts out there

Pom an idiot compared to model guys

Are there some model guys making money maybe but hard to get down on smaller markets where models are more efficient

KenPom is one piece of the puzzle to use evaluating games.
As I aksed in a previous post, do you just randomly pick plays without looking at anything????

I bet you look at how a team/players are playing lately, you look at who's sitting out/injured, you look at line moves, etc.... all of these are stats, just like KenPom data is stats. All of those things are what you use to try and find an edge in the lines. Not one thing, multiple items go into making play.

No one has said KenPom is the absolute answer. Ridiculing his data shows how clueless you are. Every NCAA coach uses his stats to evaluate opponents. Sportsbooks use his line to HELP set opening lines.

Get a clue coach. You're embarrassing yourself with this thread.

 

[goblue05]

KenPom is one piece of the puzzle to use evaluating games.
As I aksed in a previous post, do you just randomly pick plays without looking at anything????

I bet you look at how a team/players are playing lately, you look at who's sitting out/injured, you look at line moves, etc.... all of these are stats, just like KenPom data is stats. All of those things are what you use to try and find an edge in the lines. Not one thing, multiple items go into making play.

No one has said KenPom is the absolute answer. Ridiculing his data shows how clueless you are. Every NCAA coach uses his stats to evaluate opponents. Sportsbooks use his line to HELP set opening lines.

Get a clue coach. You're embarrassing yourself with this thread.

So how is using Kenpom going to help you reveal an edge on a game if Sportsbooks are looking at the same thing too? Trust me they are a lot smarter than you and me in this field.

 

[jjgold]

Blue is nailing everything

Hey, if you could make a few bucks a year good for you, but that’s all it will ever be. It’s not something that’s going to change your life or you’re gonna live in luxury that’s for real business people and hard workers.

 

[JDS]

Blue is nailing everything

Hey, if you could make a few bucks a year good for you, but that’s all it will ever be. It’s not something that’s going to change your life or you’re gonna live in luxury that’s for real business people and hard workers.

Yeah that’s all I have ever been able to do. I definitely don’t advocate for becoming a professional gambler, but if you’re smart enough and you take it seriously enough you can edge out a profit with your efforts.

 

[jjgold]

JDS
I will give you that it’s possible to make a few bucks, but just like you said incredible discipline

 

[Tanko]

So how is using Kenpom going to help you reveal an edge on a game if Sportsbooks are looking at the same thing too? Trust me they are a lot smarter than you and me in this field.

Did you read my post? KenPom is ONE PIECE to find an edge.

Not using stats/data to make picks is guessing. When you bet on baseball do you ignore who the starting pitcher is? No, because that stat is key and its NOT THE ONLY PIECE OF DATA YOU USE.

I'm curious as to why all the hate on KenPom. If you hate KenPom info that you hate using any stats as part of your game evaluation and gambling is not for you.

It's like saying, I hate MLB.COM because they provide statistics on all players and the books cook that into the lines so MLB.COM is the worst thing in the world to use. This is asinie thinking.

 

[goblue05]

Did you read my post? KenPom is ONE PIECE to find an edge.

Not using stats/data to make picks is guessing. When you bet on baseball do you ignore who the starting pitcher is? No, because that stat is key and its NOT THE ONLY PIECE OF DATA YOU USE.

I'm curious as to why all the hate on KenPom. If you hate KenPom info that you hate using any stats as part of your game evaluation and gambling is not for you.

It's like saying, I hate MLB.COM because they provide statistics on all players and the books cook that into the lines so MLB.COM is the worst thing in the world to use. This is asinie thinking.

What are you exactly looking for at Kenpom when finding an edge? Are you paying for their premium service where they predict scores and betting at lines where you see enough of a margin in the score based on the line to make a bet or are you looking at certain stats that literally everyone can see and comparing between teams?

I'll be honest, I have no idea what stats to look at to put into some kind of formula to determine an edge a team has over another. I think a part is points per possession and than estimating how many points you think a team will make in a game based on pace of play. How many games need to be played though to determine a median for pace of play and points per possession?

I think most people just look at stats and make estimations based on how they have seen teams play on tv to justify their bets in hope that it will win. Hardly anyone truly knows how to make a true line on a game by predicting scores for both teams before going into a game based on rosters and coaching styles.

 

[goblue05]

The bottom line is it is so hard to predict the outcome of a game even with stats right in your face. There are so many other things you have a better chance at being good at.

 

[rip007]

I have been on these forums for over 20 years. So many guys claim they gamble for a living, then they change their tune, these guys come and go, you can't make this stuff up. Ganchrow, Justin7 have a clue about what it takes to make some serious $.

Ganchrow.....dude's a genius

 

[Tanko]

What are you exactly looking for at Kenpom when finding an edge? Are you paying for their premium service where they predict scores and betting at lines where you see enough of a margin in the score based on the line to make a bet or are you looking at certain stats that literally everyone can see and comparing between teams?

I'll be honest, I have no idea what stats to look at to put into some kind of formula to determine an edge a team has over another. I think a part is points per possession and than estimating how many points you think a team will make in a game based on pace of play. How many games need to be played though to determine a median for pace of play and points per possession?

I think most people just look at stats and make estimations based on how they have seen teams play on tv to justify their bets in hope that it will win. Hardly anyone truly knows how to make a true line on a game by predicting scores for both teams before going into a game based on rosters and coaching styles.

Sorry for the long reply.

So what I use KenPom for is not the scores he predicts. I agree using his estimated scores are useless. I think he's only 48% right on his predictions which makes sense that he's close to only 50/50 since a lot of books use his info.

I use the team pages to find info. For example tonight we have Seton Hall vs Colorado. The team pages have:

• Tempo
• FG%/3FG% both offensively and defensively
• Turnover data
• Player stats (you can see who the important guys are to the team).
• Injury info
• There schedule and results
• Experience level
• etc... a lot of stats.

I pull up Seton's page on KenPom and see that their tempo is ~66 possessions/gm while Colorado is ~69 possessions/gm. Then I go through each teams recent game history looking for simliar opponents both in terms of tempo and ranking of the team to see how they played in those games.

If I find similar opponents to their upcoming game, I'll gain some insight into how they might play, especially on totals. The same goes when looking comparing their line-ups. Do they have a 7 footer and if so how well has a team played against them. KenPom has player height and experience info.

Then I compare FG% offensive and defensive for similar recent opponents.... Etc... etc....

Basically looking for similar opponents and seeing if there is and edge in the up coming game based on those games.

There's more but you get the idea.