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stormtrooper8

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Re-listened to a bit of this

Liberal or conservative, vitty definitely more knowledgeable in politics than Donk. Donk didn't have any substance on that front

Particularly liked vitty's comment about the election. He was spot on-- a piece of cardboard from the Dems was getting 80mil + votes against a weak candidate like Trump

vitty may have won this debate more convincingly than I originally thought. Still a defensive struggle though
 

lemartinsports

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Re-listened to a bit of this

Liberal or conservative, vitty definitely more knowledgeable in politics than Donk. Donk didn't have any substance on that front

Particularly liked vitty's comment about the election. He was spot on-- a piece of cardboard from the Dems was getting 80mil + votes against a weak candidate like Trump

vitty may have won this debate more convincingly than I originally thought. Still a defensive struggle though
agree

ill keep saying it, vitty handled himself with class and did what he had to do
 

stormtrooper8

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agree

ill keep saying it, vitty handled himself with class and did what he had to do
I love when you asked Donk what his political views are. Pretty straightforward question

He just rambles and doesn't answer the question at all, starts jabbing at vitty -- who all things considered stayed pretty calm and collected IMO
 

vitterd

vitterd

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I just came over to this forum for the first time a few days ago and signed up for a membership

today.

I watched the "great debate" last night between vitterd and donk and decided to do a review.

This review unlike most of the other ones is fairly lengthy, but if you are interested here goes:

I just got finished watching the replay of the debate and here are a few quick takeaways:

1) Obviously vitterd and donk go way back, meaning that I don't know all of

the history and details of their past encounters as a new member, which in turn means

that what I am going to say is based on the exchange tonight only.

2) Aside from the histrionics, especially by Donk, which reminded me of

what one might see when two pro wrestlers are going at each other on tv trying to

hype a match to bring in revenues, what struck me about Donk is that he strikes me

as a very crude individual whose modus operandi is to attack and shoot from the hip.

In a sense, he reminds me of the kind of a person sitting as a bat who has a bit too much to

drink, who foams at the mouth and just sounds off to anyone within listening distance on any given

topic.

For me, besides the name-calling, two statements he made gave him away for me as

as a very shallow individual, who just says anything which comes to mind at a given moment

His statement about what happened on Election Night with his inference that vitterd

along with me and lots of other people who conceded the Election very late at night

(because it looked like Trump was going to win), but in the morning

when the absentee votes came in and as expected, changed everything dramatically,

in donk's his opinion it somehow "proved" that Trump "won" because Vitterd

and many others assumed that Trump had won, for me shows a very shallow

and illogical way of thinking.

Vitterd's response was appropriate with his comparison about teams coming back

from big deficits when it looks like they have no chance.

In addition, donk's comments about stereotyping vitterd as a "typical democrat," is

just one more example of his one-way shallowness in the manner in which he thinks and

speaks. which imo is typical of many Trump cult members.

3) While vitterd did respond in kind to his attacks, he did it in a much

more measured way, and he had every right to do so, and I would have done

the same thing even though I much prefer civil debates where name-calling and insults are

not permitted.

4) Let's put it this way:

Even if vitterd and I disagreed about Trump, I have a gut feeling that we could sit down and express

our views without going into attack mode.

I didn't get that feeling at all when it comes to donk.:

What disappointed me is the fact that there was virtually no discussion/debate about

Trump and Biden such as in the other forum debates of this nature.

Perhaps that was not the intent, but rather to just let these two fire away about anything

including of course name calling and insults which for me as a reader is not very productive,

and after a while just plain boring!!

Imo if there was a discussion/debate about Trump and most other topics between vitterd

and donk, vitterd would prevail most of the time simply because imo he

is much brighter than donk and has the ability to express his

thoughts, documentation, and logic and draw conclusions much better overall.

Obviously a number of people will disagree with my assessment of the dbate and that's fine.

I will read and respect any responses to my post but will not debate it for the simple

reason that neither of us is going to change the other's opinion nor the criterion used.

That's it.

Thanks for those who took the time to read this whetheyr they agree or not!!
Savage!! This guy is a great poster. Glad he is here at BMR. Always very thoughtful and honest throughout the years. A genuine bright guy. Welcome aboard!!!
 

vitterd

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The part where Vitty conceded to Trumps victory was perplexing to me especially since youā€™re in Pennsylvania. We were told to expect a red mirage and we knew for some stupid ass reason Pennsylvania doesnā€™t start counting mail ballots till day of.
When l went to bed that night Trump was -550 Iā€™m like WTF so put $100 on Biden and sure enough when l woke up Biden was -650 and it was all over except the fat lady.
I understand that biggins. I was following predicit and the betting markets. They got it completely wrong and frankly, I got it wrong. I didnā€™t realize how much vote was outstanding and not counted. I was frustrated and said I would concede the next day but as we all knowā€¦.I didnā€™t have to. I can admit I was wrong about that. I knew their was a red mirage but it looked to me if it was going to be too much to overcome.
 

stormtrooper8

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When l went to bed that night Trump was -550 Iā€™m like WTF so put $100 on Biden and sure enough when l woke up Biden was -650 and it was all over except the fat lady.
Dude we may never get such easy value again.

I was perplexed by what the books were doing.

Everyone who followed the election knew Biden was going to get a huge surge with mail-in ballots across the country. That the books didn't properly adjust for that, I will never understand

But I am forever grateful
 

vitterd

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Re-listened to a bit of this

Liberal or conservative, vitty definitely more knowledgeable in politics than Donk. Donk didn't have any substance on that front

Particularly liked vitty's comment about the election. He was spot on-- a piece of cardboard from the Dems was getting 80mil + votes against a weak candidate like Trump

vitty may have won this debate more convincingly than I originally thought. Still a defensive struggle though
Thank you storm! Appreciate the nice comments! His intensity threw me off at times and I got dragged into the mud, where I should have shown more composure. I thought the voice imitations were a little childish and like a 2 years olds type debate but that was his style
 

biggins

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Savage!! This guy is a great poster. Glad he is here at BMR. Always very thoughtful and honest throughout the years. A genuine bright guy. Welcome aboard!!!
Yes heā€™s all that but imo we donā€™t want the Rubber Room here letā€™s stick to sports and entertainment.
 

Bubbles

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I just came over to this forum for the first time a few days ago and signed up for a membership

today.

I watched the "great debate" last night between vitterd and donk and decided to do a review.

This review unlike most of the other ones is fairly lengthy, but if you are interested here goes:

I just got finished watching the replay of the debate and here are a few quick takeaways:

1) Obviously vitterd and donk go way back, meaning that I don't know all of

the history and details of their past encounters as a new member, which in turn means

that what I am going to say is based on the exchange tonight only.

2) Aside from the histrionics, especially by Donk, which reminded me of

what one might see when two pro wrestlers are going at each other on tv trying to

hype a match to bring in revenues, what struck me about Donk is that he strikes me

as a very crude individual whose modus operandi is to attack and shoot from the hip.

In a sense, he reminds me of the kind of a person sitting as a bat who has a bit too much to

drink, who foams at the mouth and just sounds off to anyone within listening distance on any given

topic.

For me, besides the name-calling, two statements he made gave him away for me as

as a very shallow individual, who just says anything which comes to mind at a given moment

His statement about what happened on Election Night with his inference that vitterd

along with me and lots of other people who conceded the Election very late at night

(because it looked like Trump was going to win), but in the morning

when the absentee votes came in and as expected, changed everything dramatically,

in donk's his opinion it somehow "proved" that Trump "won" because Vitterd

and many others assumed that Trump had won, for me shows a very shallow

and illogical way of thinking.

Vitterd's response was appropriate with his comparison about teams coming back

from big deficits when it looks like they have no chance.

In addition, donk's comments about stereotyping vitterd as a "typical democrat," is

just one more example of his one-way shallowness in the manner in which he thinks and

speaks. which imo is typical of many Trump cult members.

3) While vitterd did respond in kind to his attacks, he did it in a much

more measured way, and he had every right to do so, and I would have done

the same thing even though I much prefer civil debates where name-calling and insults are

not permitted.

4) Let's put it this way:

Even if vitterd and I disagreed about Trump, I have a gut feeling that we could sit down and express

our views without going into attack mode.

I didn't get that feeling at all when it comes to donk.:

What disappointed me is the fact that there was virtually no discussion/debate about

Trump and Biden such as in the other forum debates of this nature.

Perhaps that was not the intent, but rather to just let these two fire away about anything

including of course name calling and insults which for me as a reader is not very productive,

and after a while just plain boring!!

Imo if there was a discussion/debate about Trump and most other topics between vitterd

and donk, vitterd would prevail most of the time simply because imo he

is much brighter than donk and has the ability to express his

thoughts, documentation, and logic and draw conclusions much better overall.

Obviously a number of people will disagree with my assessment of the dbate and that's fine.

I will read and respect any responses to my post but will not debate it for the simple

reason that neither of us is going to change the other's opinion nor the criterion used.

That's it.

Thanks for those who took the time to read this whetheyr they agree or not!!
welcome aboard. savage1 making his 1st post a savagely clear.
 

stormtrooper8

stormtrooper8

Joined
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Messages
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I just came over to this forum for the first time a few days ago and signed up for a membership

today.

I watched the "great debate" last night between vitterd and donk and decided to do a review.

This review unlike most of the other ones is fairly lengthy, but if you are interested here goes:

I just got finished watching the replay of the debate and here are a few quick takeaways:

1) Obviously vitterd and donk go way back, meaning that I don't know all of

the history and details of their past encounters as a new member, which in turn means

that what I am going to say is based on the exchange tonight only.

2) Aside from the histrionics, especially by Donk, which reminded me of

what one might see when two pro wrestlers are going at each other on tv trying to

hype a match to bring in revenues, what struck me about Donk is that he strikes me

as a very crude individual whose modus operandi is to attack and shoot from the hip.

In a sense, he reminds me of the kind of a person sitting as a bat who has a bit too much to

drink, who foams at the mouth and just sounds off to anyone within listening distance on any given

topic.

For me, besides the name-calling, two statements he made gave him away for me as

as a very shallow individual, who just says anything which comes to mind at a given moment

His statement about what happened on Election Night with his inference that vitterd

along with me and lots of other people who conceded the Election very late at night

(because it looked like Trump was going to win), but in the morning

when the absentee votes came in and as expected, changed everything dramatically,

in donk's his opinion it somehow "proved" that Trump "won" because Vitterd

and many others assumed that Trump had won, for me shows a very shallow

and illogical way of thinking.

Vitterd's response was appropriate with his comparison about teams coming back

from big deficits when it looks like they have no chance.

In addition, donk's comments about stereotyping vitterd as a "typical democrat," is

just one more example of his one-way shallowness in the manner in which he thinks and

speaks. which imo is typical of many Trump cult members.

3) While vitterd did respond in kind to his attacks, he did it in a much

more measured way, and he had every right to do so, and I would have done

the same thing even though I much prefer civil debates where name-calling and insults are

not permitted.

4) Let's put it this way:

Even if vitterd and I disagreed about Trump, I have a gut feeling that we could sit down and express

our views without going into attack mode.

I didn't get that feeling at all when it comes to donk.:

What disappointed me is the fact that there was virtually no discussion/debate about

Trump and Biden such as in the other forum debates of this nature.

Perhaps that was not the intent, but rather to just let these two fire away about anything

including of course name calling and insults which for me as a reader is not very productive,

and after a while just plain boring!!

Imo if there was a discussion/debate about Trump and most other topics between vitterd

and donk, vitterd would prevail most of the time simply because imo he

is much brighter than donk and has the ability to express his

thoughts, documentation, and logic and draw conclusions much better overall.

Obviously a number of people will disagree with my assessment of the dbate and that's fine.

I will read and respect any responses to my post but will not debate it for the simple

reason that neither of us is going to change the other's opinion nor the criterion used.

That's it.

Thanks for those who took the time to read this whetheyr they agree or not!!
Awesome post

Welcome savage1
 

Enikk

Enikk

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Messages
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I just came over to this forum for the first time a few days ago and signed up for a membership

today.

I watched the "great debate" last night between vitterd and donk and decided to do a review.

This review unlike most of the other ones is fairly lengthy, but if you are interested here goes:

I just got finished watching the replay of the debate and here are a few quick takeaways:

1) Obviously vitterd and donk go way back, meaning that I don't know all of

the history and details of their past encounters as a new member, which in turn means

that what I am going to say is based on the exchange tonight only.

2) Aside from the histrionics, especially by Donk, which reminded me of

what one might see when two pro wrestlers are going at each other on tv trying to

hype a match to bring in revenues, what struck me about Donk is that he strikes me

as a very crude individual whose modus operandi is to attack and shoot from the hip.

In a sense, he reminds me of the kind of a person sitting as a bat who has a bit too much to

drink, who foams at the mouth and just sounds off to anyone within listening distance on any given

topic.

For me, besides the name-calling, two statements he made gave him away for me as

as a very shallow individual, who just says anything which comes to mind at a given moment

His statement about what happened on Election Night with his inference that vitterd

along with me and lots of other people who conceded the Election very late at night

(because it looked like Trump was going to win), but in the morning

when the absentee votes came in and as expected, changed everything dramatically,

in donk's his opinion it somehow "proved" that Trump "won" because Vitterd

and many others assumed that Trump had won, for me shows a very shallow

and illogical way of thinking.

Vitterd's response was appropriate with his comparison about teams coming back

from big deficits when it looks like they have no chance.

In addition, donk's comments about stereotyping vitterd as a "typical democrat," is

just one more example of his one-way shallowness in the manner in which he thinks and

speaks. which imo is typical of many Trump cult members.

3) While vitterd did respond in kind to his attacks, he did it in a much

more measured way, and he had every right to do so, and I would have done

the same thing even though I much prefer civil debates where name-calling and insults are

not permitted.

4) Let's put it this way:

Even if vitterd and I disagreed about Trump, I have a gut feeling that we could sit down and express

our views without going into attack mode.

I didn't get that feeling at all when it comes to donk.:

What disappointed me is the fact that there was virtually no discussion/debate about

Trump and Biden such as in the other forum debates of this nature.

Perhaps that was not the intent, but rather to just let these two fire away about anything

including of course name calling and insults which for me as a reader is not very productive,

and after a while just plain boring!!

Imo if there was a discussion/debate about Trump and most other topics between vitterd

and donk, vitterd would prevail most of the time simply because imo he

is much brighter than donk and has the ability to express his

thoughts, documentation, and logic and draw conclusions much better overall.

Obviously a number of people will disagree with my assessment of the dbate and that's fine.

I will read and respect any responses to my post but will not debate it for the simple

reason that neither of us is going to change the other's opinion nor the criterion used.

That's it.

Thanks for those who took the time to read this whetheyr they agree or not!!
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Enikk

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oh vitty was hands down the more articulate speaker
But we knew that going in with Vitty's experience. I admit, I fvcked Vitty with the dress and stone-cold killer category(although Sam did pick Vitty for that one yet Donk was showing guns and was raging) as I figured Vitty would crush the other 3 topics and who knew if Donk would show up with any clothes on?? lol. Auto Donk came stronger than expected and even Vitty giving his best couldn't make up for it.
 

vitterd

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But we knew that going in with Vitty's experience. I admit, I fvcked Vitty with the dress and stone-cold killer category(although Sam did pick Vitty for that one yet Donk was showing guns and was raging) as I figured Vitty would crush the other 3 topics and who knew if Donk would show up with any clothes on?? lol. Auto Donk came stronger than expected and even Vitty giving his best couldn't make up for it.
Thatā€™s your opinion. Others here seem to feel differently. Seems the only thing that got me the loss was the dress category and everybody but the panel thinks I won. So everyone has a different opinion. If you give points for screaming and yelling with rage and making no senseā€¦.donk is your winner. Itā€™s all subjective for each person.
 

savage1

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As a new member, I just want to let it be known that one of the reasons that some of my views

regarding politics and for that matter many things which occur in life differ from lots of folks

is that I am much older than most folks in this forum(I just turned 78).

I am certainly not bragging about this and would love to be a lot younger, but the overall

point is that I look at matters whether they be good or bad a lot more philosophically

as a part of the "game" of life itself.

I realize that for people who are much younger this concept may be hard to grasp

simply because you/they have less to draw from in life experiences and compare than I do.

I guess the best analogy/comparison I can make is to compare it to an interview

with a baseball player whose team is either on a winning streak, a losing streak or somewhere

in between.

At a time during the interview, if the occasion arises, he may use the old phrase

which is true and applies not only in baseball but in life itself, namely "One day at a time!"

I will be the first to admit that at least as it applies to me I can't always live my life with the adage,

especially when there is adversity, but most importantly I deal with it a lot

better than when I was younger!!
 
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