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Note to self: If I decide to go streaking at NFL game make sure it’s not on Bobby Wagner’s sideline

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fried cheese

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Let's think this this through

Is it possible he has a case?

The players aren't security or affiliated with the stadium
sure they have a case if they want it. but because of the racial dynamics and nfl influence i doubt they will charge him. the mccloskeys only brandished guns at a mob outside their house that was trespassing and broke down the gate to their private community. they were criminally charged and plead guilty to a lesser crime.

the security guards are allowed to detain the guy but if he is non violent and only trespassing i doubt they are legally allowed to use the amount of force that wagner used either.

but the law doesnt really matter since everyone in our legal system is so corrupt. it just boils down to which groups are politically protected and which ppl they want to make examples of.
 

Wagerallsports

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If you are breaking into someone's home, does the victims neighbor have the right to shoot you from across the street as you are climbing into their window?

I think not, and the security officers have the legal right to put their hands on and detain the person, but the players do not

I guess it just depends on the judge and if they go strictly by the law or what they think was right
 

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If you are breaking into someone's home, does the victims neighbor have the right to shoot you from across the street?

I think not and the security officers have the legal right to put their hands on and detain the person, but the players do not

I guess it just depends on the judge and if they go strictly by the law or what they think was right
Good point also. Now i don't know what to believe anymore. But I have something to say on the last sentences - The judge will always act in accordance with the law and not to what they think was right.
 

fried cheese

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He has no case

He impeded the players right to earn a living by trespassing & causing a public nuisance.

If you are in commission of a crime you are not entitled to compensation from injury
there is no way that is true.

"In the lesser-known case, an 18-year-old climbed onto a roof at a Redding, Calif., high school in 1982 to steal a $35 floodlight. The young man fell 27 feet through the skylight and was permanently disabled. His lawyers obtained a $260,000 up-front settlement with the school district’s insurer, plus $1,500 a month, for the rest of the man’s life."

that was 40 years ago. im sure its even worse now.
 

MinnesotaFats

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there is no way that is true.

"In the lesser-known case, an 18-year-old climbed onto a roof at a Redding, Calif., high school in 1982 to steal a $35 floodlight. The young man fell 27 feet through the skylight and was permanently disabled. His lawyers obtained a $260,000 up-front settlement with the school district’s insurer, plus $1,500 a month, for the rest of the man’s life."

that was 40 years ago. im sure its even worse now.
The schools insurer paid out

This is a lawsuit v the NFL & Wagner.

The school has an obligation to secure its roof access, it obviously failed. FYI I wouldn't doubt if Uvalde families cite that case in the lawsuites regarding the shooters access to the school.

In this case, the fan violated his contract (lots of rules on that ticket or in the 'e purchase'), broke thru security, charged at the players w a flare of some type and caused the game to be halted by his trespass and posed a threat to others & himself in his nuisance

No case
 

fried cheese

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it doesnt matter if you are breaking the law. you are only allowed to use appropriate force and the guy was a non violent trespasser. police can definitely be sued by criminals for excessive force and they have much more leeway than an average citizen.
 

gauchojake

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You could argue that he was defending himself or others on the sideline. He could end up in civil court but the guy who got tackled would have to show damages. I doubt a jury would give this clown a dime, but who knows.

The problem is that if you set the precedent that these idiots have the right to go onto the field and/or sue for civil damages then this will become an every day occurrence. I don't think anyone wants to encourage that.
 

MinnesotaFats

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it doesnt matter if you are breaking the law. you are only allowed to use appropriate force and the guy was a non violent trespasser. police can definitely be sued by criminals for excessive force.
Non violent?

He charged the sideline w a fukking flare on fire in his pants 1 week after a dude literally lit himself on fire on a tennis court in front of Federer.

Appropriate force lol

There's 2 types of force, lethal and non lethal. That's all that matters as far as the law is concerned. That homeboy made it to jail alive is all Wagner had to worry about, had he died it would have been self defense as what occurred was certainly not driven by motive, provoked or encouraged by Wagner and the trespasser had no right to be in the pretense of Wagner, and even signed a contract pledging not to.

 

fried cheese

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Non violent?

He charged the sideline w a fukking flare on fire in his pants 1 week after a dude literally lit himself on fire on a tennis court in front of Federer.

Appropriate force lol

There's 2 types of force, lethal and non lethal. That's all that matters as far as the law is concerned. That homeboy made it to jail alive is all Wagner had to worry about, had he died it would have been self defense as what occurred was certainly not driven by motive, provoked or encouraged by Wagner and the trespasser had no right to be in the pretense of Wagner, and even signed a contract pledging not to.

im sure their disclaimer protects them against some negligence but even the article says that it doesnt protect them from extreme negligence. i doubt the disclaimer protects them from liability for intentional assault. if wagner tore off the guys legs to stop him from running would that be fine too? after a certain amount of force it is definitely illegal.
 

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im sure their disclaimer protects them against some negligence but even the article says that it doesnt protect them from extreme negligence. i doubt the disclaimer protects them from liability for intentional assault. if wagner tore off the guys legs to stop him from running would that be fine too? after a certain amount of force it is definitely illegal.
Hypothetically speaking, if he tore off his legs that would be manslaughter....because dude would die.

But what damages does dude have here? Who is the provocative party?
Who beached the terms of their ticket?
Who charged at who?
Who had a flame emiting from their pants?

See where the logic goes here?
 

fried cheese

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Hypothetically speaking, if he tore off his legs that would be manslaughter....because dude would die.

But what damages does dude have here? Who is the provocative party?
Who beached the terms of their ticket?
Who charged at who?
Who had a flame emiting from their pants?

See where the logic goes here?
well he could always say concussion. wagner definitely came after the guy not the other way around.
do you honestly think if this was a blm protester at a trump rally with the same ticket disclaimer, and some guy with a confederate flag came and headbutted him unconscious in the 49ers stadium that he wouldnt be charged with a crime and lose?

the mccloskeys only brandished guns at a mob that broke down their private community gate and trespassed at their house and had to plead guilty.
 

gauchojake

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He was running towards the sideline with an incendiary device. This is like that idiot who jumped on stage at the Dave Chapelle concert - there's no way to know if it's a bomb or fake knife or not.
 

MinnesotaFats

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well he could always say concussion. wagner definitely came after the guy not the other way around.
do you honestly think if this was a blm protester at a trump rally with the same ticket disclaimer, and some guy with a confederate flag came and headbutted him unconscious in the 49ers stadium that he wouldnt be charged with a crime and lose?

the mccloskeys only brandished guns at a mob that broke down their private community gate and trespassed at their house and had to plead guilty.
Wagner came after him?

Dude literally ran across the ENTIRE field, then zigged north, before zagging SE right to LAR sideline.

There's 10 videos of this....
 
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