Stuck In Vegas

[Tanko]

Hopefully, my last word on this topic....

I have no issue paying a little more for skilled crafts. These businesses have to pay a middle class living wage, health insurance, 401k, cover vacation costs, etc... so its OK. It helps support the economy and the middle class but, it seems to be getting out of line over the last couple years. Sure, not every business is screwing people but, it is definitely becoming commonplace.

Sorry, but I can't blame people for looking for alternatives to avoid getting scalped.

 

[JDS]

Hopefully, my last word on this topic....

I have no issue paying a little more for skilled crafts. These businesses have to pay a middle class living wage, health insurance, 401k, cover vacation costs, etc... so its OK. It helps support the economy and the middle class but, it seems to be getting out of line over the last couple years. Sure, not every business is screwing people but, it is definitely becoming commonplace.

Sorry, but I can't blame people for looking for alternatives to avoid getting scalped.

My price range is in the middle of licensed Electrical contractors & the illegals as I do “freelance work”. So for @jjgold to say my prices are high is absolutely ludicrous IMO.

 

[stormtrooper8]

Hopefully, my last word on this topic....

I have no issue paying a little more for skilled crafts. These businesses have to pay a middle class living wage, health insurance, 401k, cover vacation costs, etc... so its OK. It helps support the economy and the middle class but, it seems to be getting out of line over the last couple years. Sure, not every business is screwing people but, it is definitely becoming commonplace.

Sorry, but I can't blame people for looking for alternatives to avoid getting scalped.

Very reasonable take

 

[stormtrooper8]

Hopefully, my last word on this topic....

I have no issue paying a little more for skilled crafts. These businesses have to pay a middle class living wage, health insurance, 401k, cover vacation costs, etc... so its OK. It helps support the economy and the middle class but, it seems to be getting out of line over the last couple years. Sure, not every business is screwing people but, it is definitely becoming commonplace.

Sorry, but I can't blame people for looking for alternatives to avoid getting scalped.

I am willing to paying more for quality as well

But will never pay companies that try that absurd scammy shit like doubling the rate of labor to get there sooner lol

Just pathetic, bad business practices

 

[stormtrooper8]

Florida is filled with opioid addicts, druggies, alcoholics and low grade American labor

I would definitely hire Mexicans down there, and avoid certain parts of Southern Florida altogether

 

[pete0]

They need to be brought into the union or at least paid prevailing wage. Read again the first paragraph you wrote. A rising tide lifts all boats. What will happen to them when they find people that will actually work harder and cheaper? What you are describing is a race to the bottom that eliminates the American middle class. Not to mention let's cut all the Bullshit that every illegal immigrant is a God fairing, family loving, upstanding man if that was the case Mexico should be paradise and they would have no reason to leave in the first place.

That's just not true lol middle class much more impacted by what happens at the top than at the bottom of these industries, and that's been true basically forever. Not to say there aren't economic ramifications to illegal immigration, but there are MUCH more relevant battles to win on our home turf

Also there are obviously bad apples that cross the border, no one saying otherwise. But there are obviously equally as much shitty people at home. His point was that they work harder knowing more is at stake/they need to to survive.

Yes i re-read my post be4 posting it and stand by everything what ive said here.

Generally agree with @stormtrooper8 's responses.
There are also SOCIO-POLITICAL factors at play here as to why they leave there in the 1st place.

Generally* speaking no mexican is directly/ intentionally hurting middle class-
thats the job of the employer on who they choose to employ.
If u get a job done, faster & cheaper. ur easily replacable.
A boss/entrepreneur once told me , "once ur replace-able , ur replace-able"

If u dont like it- dont hire cheap labor- suck up and pay the premium. but most americans,
hell - even top companies - wont -
Ex: Apple, their products esp. iphones were made by child labor overseas for a long time.
Ex 2: Microsoft tech support = outsourced to India = way cheaper + avoid taxes.
U dont have a guilty conscience of that, while browsing ur tiktoks all day. do u?


i re-iterate = "once ur replace-able , ur replace-able" - no exceptions, morals or not.
Thread is getting too political at this point, than anything else.

 

[jjgold]

Mexicans much harder workers than whites

 

[edawg]

Yes i re-read my post be4 posting it and stand by everything what ive said here.

Generally agree with @stormtrooper8 's responses.
There are also SOCIO-POLITICAL factors at play here as to why they leave there in the 1st place.

Generally* speaking no mexican is directly/ intentionally hurting middle class-
thats the job of the employer on who they choose to employ.
If u get a job done, faster & cheaper. ur easily replacable.
A boss/entrepreneur once told me , "once ur replace-able , ur replace-able"

If u dont like it- dont hire cheap labor- suck up and pay the premium. but most americans,
hell - even top companies - wont -
Ex: Apple, their products esp. iphones were made by child labor overseas for a long time.
Ex 2: Microsoft tech support = outsourced to India = way cheaper + avoid taxes.
U dont have a guilty conscience of that, while browsing ur tiktoks all day. do u?


i re-iterate = "once ur replace-able , ur replace-able" - no exceptions, morals or not.
Thread is getting too political at this point, than

Middle class labor are mostly bums? You sure about that statement? Everyone is easily replaceable especially illegals once their done using them. Be careful about which side you choose it will turn out what you think of as a enemy is actually a friend and what you think of as a friend is the enemy.

 

[pete0]

Mexicans much harder workers than whites

They work like fkking donkeys.
where as an avg. american will be unwilling to do so.

Now, are u really mad if an employer chooses to hire a harder working individual ?
not necessarily the most qualified/certified.

Heres another tid bit:
What is the average obesity levels comparing "americans" & "mexicans living in america"

i'm re-iterating the same points -
think i'm done with this discussion and made my points crystal clear.
with plenty of first-hand evidence to provide, but i'd rather not be bothered to.

any1 who complains, is complaining becuz they got "replaced"

PS Edit: GENERALLY speaking, which nationalities are considered the laziest people in the world ?

 

[stormtrooper8]

Middle class labor are mostly bums? You sure about that statement? Everyone is easily replaceable especially illegals once their done using them. Be careful about which side you choose it will turn out what you think of as a enemy is actually a friend and what you think of as a friend is the enemy.

People who work hard and do a good job will be OK for the most part

If you think a Mexican is gonna take your job, then do your job better or go do something else

Illegal immigration is going nowhere. Republicans and Democrats both love it too much

 

[BobbyFK]

This place is tremendous. I got free coffee.

A handful of casinos out here offer free coffee for seniors on certain days

 

[edawg]

They work like fkking donkeys.
where as an avg. american will be unwilling to do so.

Now, are u really mad if an employer chooses to hire a harder working individual ?
not necessarily the most qualified/certified.

Heres another tid bit:
What is the average obesity levels comparing "americans" & "mexicans living in america"

i'm re-iterating the same points -
think i'm done with this discussion and made my points crystal clear.
with plenty of first-hand evidence to provide, but i'd rather not be bothered to.

any1 who complains, is complaining becuz they got "replaced"

Would you please cut the bullshit half of them are recipients of all kind of government benefits while working for cash off the books for an unscrupulous employer. I worked for the u

People who work hard and do a good job will be OK for the most part

If you think a Mexican is gonna take your job, then do your job better or go do something else

Illegal immigration is going nowhere. Republicans and Democrats both love it too much

A Mexican never took my job and never will. I always tell them to get an education and become bankers, doctors, and politicians then they can really make America great again!

 

[Tanko]

A handful of casinos out here offer free coffee for seniors on certain days

Nice..... Mr. Bobby.
A not so subtle slam on JJ.

 

[pete0]

Would you please cut the bullshit half of them are recipients of all kind of government benefits while working for cash off the books for an unscrupulous employer. I worked for the u

A Mexican never took my job and never will. I always tell them to get an education and become bankers, doctors, and politicians then they can really make America great again!

Here, i'm going to cut the BS for u -

"half of them recipients of ALL kinds of govt. benefits WHILE working for cash off the books"
( with no insurance mind u - the risking the neck part) for an unscrupulous employer - who CHOSE to employ them willingly.

-exactly Which* half of them & What* eligible benefits are were talking about here ?

Source: Im an immigrant myself - came here 100% legally, along with most of my immediate family. so i'm well versed on the due process.

 

[edawg]

They work like fkking donkeys.
where as an avg. american will be unwilling to do so.

Now, are u really mad if an employer chooses to hire a harder working individual ?
not necessarily the most qualified/certified.

Heres another tid bit:
What is the average obesity levels comparing "americans" & "mexicans living in america"

i'm re-iterating the same points -
think i'm done with this discussion and made my points crystal clear.
with plenty of first-hand evidence to provide, but i'd rather not be bothered to.

any1 who complains, is complaining becuz they got "replaced"

Here, i'm going to cut the BS for u -

"half of them recipients of ALL kinds of govt. benefits WHILE working for cash off the books"
( with no insurance mind u - the risking the neck part) for an unscrupulous employer - who CHOSE to employ them willingly.

-exactly Which* half of them & What* eligible benefits are were talking about here ?

Source: Im an immigrant myself - came here 100% legally, along with most of my immediate family. so i'm well versed on the due process.

Have had them come sign up for the union. Your right most of them are decent people but so are most people I have worked with in union labor. People have died and suffered for fair wages to build America to where people want to come and work. Someone comes into your house spits on your floor, insults you, and acts like they own the place what would your reaction be?

 

[BobbyFK]

Nice..... Mr. Bobby.
A not so subtle slam on JJ.

Very subtle

 

[hurryupandbuy]

who would you hire

 

[pete0]

Have had them come sign up for the union. Your right most of them are decent people but so are most people I have worked with in union labor. People have died and suffered for fair wages to build America to where people want to come and work. Someone comes into your house spits on your floor, insults you, and acts like they own the place what would your reaction be?

Lot of buildings, esp. Residential complexes/ houses are usually built by mexicans by smart contractors that know can save a TON. Ex; My neighbourhood as prev. stated. ^

ofc, it would be negative. It just hasnt been a single personal experience of ~13-14 yrs in this country
AND having actually worked in the construction business. alongside legals & illegals.

If an "illegal" slips off the roof and breaks every bone in his body - thats on him.
0 benefits / insurance given. except the hospitals Having to take them to save a life.
and bill them later.

 

[edawg]

Lot of buildings, esp. Residential complexes/ houses are usually built by mexicans by smart contractors that know can save a TON. Ex; My neighbourhood as prev. stated. ^

ofc, it would be negative. It just hasnt been a single personal experience of ~13-14 yrs in this country
AND having actually worked in the construction business. alongside legals & illegals.

If an "illegal" slips off the roof and breaks every bone in his body - thats on him.
0 benefits / insurance given. except the hospitals Having to take them to save a life.
and bill them later.

That is my point I think we are after the same thing in the end. I want the "illegal" to be union or get prevailing wage with benefits, medical, and a 401k or pension. If he or she can outwork or perform other workers on the job then God bless them but it should be at a middle class standard.

 

[pete0]

That is my point I think we are after the same thing in the end. I want the "illegal" to be union or get prevailing wage with benefits, medical, and a 401k or pension. If he or she can outwork or perform other workers on the job then God bless them but it should be at a middle class standard.

agreed. except maybe, i would maybe lean to a capitalist standard. just like every1 else.

idk, if ur familiar with the immigration process. but long story short : its chit.

the fees, petitions, applications, attorney fees, travel fees., waiting time etc. etc. to do it all LEGALLY, its insanely high. no avg. mexican / any third word country can easily do this. its a small %

Hence, why the mexicans come there "illegally"
Like i said, this has huge socio-political background factors related to this,
that its too long of a discussion to get into.